Administrator2
06-13 11:34 AM
Eb3 v/s Eb2 is a nonsensical nonproductive meaningless argument. If you actively participate in speaking with the lawmakers, you would know the bogus nature of this squabble. Each one of us has a choice. We can continue with this pissing contest or we could do something to fix the backlogs. We all understand the frustration and anxiety due to the long delays. It is easy to be drawn in meaningless eb2 v/s eb3 quarrel in the virtual world when one is not privy to how things work in the real world.
If you feel compelled to engage in infra and trivia, please utilize your energy for your benefit by understanding the larger debate so that each one of us can employ our energy to fix our issues. Please use your energy in a positive manner. There is no point of this discussion. It is easy to write/post arguments just to support your own application/position in line. Anybody can do that. But such narrow minded approach will not help even a single soul on this planet, including yours. For those of you who want to continue with this bickering, you can do so at the expense of your own time. And when you engage in such arguments, please remember that whatever you all write or post about this nonsensical back-and-forth is not helping you or your family. But if you are sincere and care for this issue, if you truly care for your issue, then please consider participating actively to meet with the lawmakers to make our voices heard.
Members who actively engage in the advocacy effort know when we are saying. For example – talk to nearly 125 IV members who lead the lobby day in DC during the past week. They will tell you the bogus nature of this Eb2 v/s Eb2. Stop wasting your energy arguing thing which have no meaning. Please utilize your energy in finding fix for the backlogs because there will never ever be a bill/set of provisions only for Eb3 or only for Eb2.
If you feel compelled to engage in infra and trivia, please utilize your energy for your benefit by understanding the larger debate so that each one of us can employ our energy to fix our issues. Please use your energy in a positive manner. There is no point of this discussion. It is easy to write/post arguments just to support your own application/position in line. Anybody can do that. But such narrow minded approach will not help even a single soul on this planet, including yours. For those of you who want to continue with this bickering, you can do so at the expense of your own time. And when you engage in such arguments, please remember that whatever you all write or post about this nonsensical back-and-forth is not helping you or your family. But if you are sincere and care for this issue, if you truly care for your issue, then please consider participating actively to meet with the lawmakers to make our voices heard.
Members who actively engage in the advocacy effort know when we are saying. For example – talk to nearly 125 IV members who lead the lobby day in DC during the past week. They will tell you the bogus nature of this Eb2 v/s Eb2. Stop wasting your energy arguing thing which have no meaning. Please utilize your energy in finding fix for the backlogs because there will never ever be a bill/set of provisions only for Eb3 or only for Eb2.
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chmur
07-18 05:32 PM
If we make collective decision we will have hearding, which means whichever way we go we will be retrogessed.
Nope ....it's opportunity to impose natural justice..sort it by pd irrespective of eb2/eb3 .....you can carry your eb3 pd to eb2...of course one should qualify to be an eb2 candidate..
else , 2007 eb2 PDs will get gc ahead of 2003 eb3s ....
of course,we should continue to support IV's recapture effort because our community at large will be benefited only thru recapture.
Nope ....it's opportunity to impose natural justice..sort it by pd irrespective of eb2/eb3 .....you can carry your eb3 pd to eb2...of course one should qualify to be an eb2 candidate..
else , 2007 eb2 PDs will get gc ahead of 2003 eb3s ....
of course,we should continue to support IV's recapture effort because our community at large will be benefited only thru recapture.
saimrathi
07-03 03:37 PM
New applications coming in after July 2????
Well, I just made my third call and the lady sounded quite confident that applications that have been received and are in processing are not affected by this and it's only NEW applications that would be coming in after July 2 that are affected. I understand what you're saying that they don't assign it but I have read before that they "assume" each application qualifies unless they eventually figure out otherwise. And now I am making my own assumption that if they assume it qualifies then it's assumed a visa is indirectly assigned? Wait, I'm confused:D.
Well, I just made my third call and the lady sounded quite confident that applications that have been received and are in processing are not affected by this and it's only NEW applications that would be coming in after July 2 that are affected. I understand what you're saying that they don't assign it but I have read before that they "assume" each application qualifies unless they eventually figure out otherwise. And now I am making my own assumption that if they assume it qualifies then it's assumed a visa is indirectly assigned? Wait, I'm confused:D.
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bhobama
05-31 02:07 PM
Could not agree more. We are masters of everything related to caste, quotas and discrimination and we need to fix our own house before complaining about other countries, airlines etc.
Well one can avoid Air France if it 'makes you feel better'
The Crux of the matter is 'Indians discriminate Indians !!!!'. You see that everyday.....
1.Indian embassies in US...
2.Air India service is better for Goras and Goris than us...
3.Even in a website called IV and the list goes on and on.
Its been long forgotten that we were once the richest country in the world with a amazing history and cultural background.
Bottom line: Once a fellow Indian starts respecting another fellow Indian 'others will follow'.
Cheers!!!
Well one can avoid Air France if it 'makes you feel better'
The Crux of the matter is 'Indians discriminate Indians !!!!'. You see that everyday.....
1.Indian embassies in US...
2.Air India service is better for Goras and Goris than us...
3.Even in a website called IV and the list goes on and on.
Its been long forgotten that we were once the richest country in the world with a amazing history and cultural background.
Bottom line: Once a fellow Indian starts respecting another fellow Indian 'others will follow'.
Cheers!!!
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ajm
09-25 11:06 PM
I have a good experience with them. They have filed all my applications without unnecessary delays and they were also proactive in informing me about the visa bulletin reversal at the end of June.
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qvadis
03-21 04:48 AM
Allow me to emphasize a different section of the text:
Snips from Nov 05 Bulletin (http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_2712.html)
The AC21 removed the per-country limit in any calendar quarter in which overall applicant demand for Employment-based visa numbers is less than the total of such numbers available.
>> As per my understanding, When there are no per country limits, It can be assigned to any one with oldest PD. Not that it is working like that with USCIS. As I said, before in my previous post, we can imagine these visa numbers tagged with the category name beside them. <<
The way I read this is that this particular AC21 rule only applies if there are no cut-off dates in any category (for that calendar quarter). This is clearly not the case in this bulletin, where the cut-off date for EB3 is set to July '05. Hence, the new interpretation seems different.
During FY due to anticipated heavy demand, the AC21 provisions are not expected to apply ...] This will mean an Employment per-country limit for FY-2006 of approximately 10,650.
To illustrate the effect of the reduced per-county limitation during FY-2006 on the oversubscribed countries, it should be noted that during FY-2005 India used approximately 47,175 Employment numbers.
>> I have spoken with an attorney and he expressed above similar opinion where we might not have noticed how numbers were overflowing and NOT overflowing to demand or lack of demand. Either way, This is not a panacea for the problem at hand as there is no clarity what so ever in either procedures. <<
Maybe I'm misreading above statement, but it sounds to me that because of higher demand (of ROW), AC21 wouldn't apply anymore, and instead of 47k in '05, India had only received 10k in '06.
Note that I think the immigration system is broken and needs to be fixed. By changing their interpretation, they are only taking away visas from one group and give it to another group. I can certainly see why people who are affected by this would be biased. No harm intended.
Snips from Nov 05 Bulletin (http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_2712.html)
The AC21 removed the per-country limit in any calendar quarter in which overall applicant demand for Employment-based visa numbers is less than the total of such numbers available.
>> As per my understanding, When there are no per country limits, It can be assigned to any one with oldest PD. Not that it is working like that with USCIS. As I said, before in my previous post, we can imagine these visa numbers tagged with the category name beside them. <<
The way I read this is that this particular AC21 rule only applies if there are no cut-off dates in any category (for that calendar quarter). This is clearly not the case in this bulletin, where the cut-off date for EB3 is set to July '05. Hence, the new interpretation seems different.
During FY due to anticipated heavy demand, the AC21 provisions are not expected to apply ...] This will mean an Employment per-country limit for FY-2006 of approximately 10,650.
To illustrate the effect of the reduced per-county limitation during FY-2006 on the oversubscribed countries, it should be noted that during FY-2005 India used approximately 47,175 Employment numbers.
>> I have spoken with an attorney and he expressed above similar opinion where we might not have noticed how numbers were overflowing and NOT overflowing to demand or lack of demand. Either way, This is not a panacea for the problem at hand as there is no clarity what so ever in either procedures. <<
Maybe I'm misreading above statement, but it sounds to me that because of higher demand (of ROW), AC21 wouldn't apply anymore, and instead of 47k in '05, India had only received 10k in '06.
Note that I think the immigration system is broken and needs to be fixed. By changing their interpretation, they are only taking away visas from one group and give it to another group. I can certainly see why people who are affected by this would be biased. No harm intended.
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factoryman
02-09 05:57 PM
This is THE time. We must sign on to this pony express and push our relief.
1. Fax to the same people listed here in the quote.
2. Fax to your HR/Attorney demanding a relief on the levels of Sch A be given to us.
3. Write letters to editors.
4. Maintain a table on the top of the thread and update the above action #s.
Please send emails and PMs to your friends, fellow IV members etc, etc.
No other threads please, till we get concrete action on this. And don't wait for direction from core IV. We can act independently.
ADVOCACY ALERT: RETROGRESSION: WE'RE GETTING CLOSE
HLG has confirmed that the Senate leadership is comfortable with a proposal to solve retrogression for Schedule A occupation -- registered nurses and physical therapists. It was through grassroots advocacy that we were able to explain to the Senate leadership just how important this issue is. Thank you to everyone who made an effort.
We now must turn our efforts toward the House.
If anyone works with or at any hospitals in the following Representatives' districts, please contact Chris Musillo (cmusillo@hammondlawfirm.com; 513-381-2011 x223) ASAP.
Rep. Lofgren (D - CA) : 16th District - San Jose
Rep. Eshoo (D- CA) : 14th District - San Francisco, San Jose, Santa Cruz
Rep. Pelosi (D - CA) : 8th District - San Francisco and north
Essentially anyone who is located in the Bay Area and wants to see retrogression solved should contact their hospital leadership and see if they are willing to make a few phone calls and sign onto a letter. If they are willing to do that, please let Chris know ASAP. Chris can then explain exactly what needs to be done.
THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.
We're getting close.
LINK (ADVOCACY ALERT: RETROGRESSION: WE'RE GETTING CLOSE)
1. Fax to the same people listed here in the quote.
2. Fax to your HR/Attorney demanding a relief on the levels of Sch A be given to us.
3. Write letters to editors.
4. Maintain a table on the top of the thread and update the above action #s.
Please send emails and PMs to your friends, fellow IV members etc, etc.
No other threads please, till we get concrete action on this. And don't wait for direction from core IV. We can act independently.
ADVOCACY ALERT: RETROGRESSION: WE'RE GETTING CLOSE
HLG has confirmed that the Senate leadership is comfortable with a proposal to solve retrogression for Schedule A occupation -- registered nurses and physical therapists. It was through grassroots advocacy that we were able to explain to the Senate leadership just how important this issue is. Thank you to everyone who made an effort.
We now must turn our efforts toward the House.
If anyone works with or at any hospitals in the following Representatives' districts, please contact Chris Musillo (cmusillo@hammondlawfirm.com; 513-381-2011 x223) ASAP.
Rep. Lofgren (D - CA) : 16th District - San Jose
Rep. Eshoo (D- CA) : 14th District - San Francisco, San Jose, Santa Cruz
Rep. Pelosi (D - CA) : 8th District - San Francisco and north
Essentially anyone who is located in the Bay Area and wants to see retrogression solved should contact their hospital leadership and see if they are willing to make a few phone calls and sign onto a letter. If they are willing to do that, please let Chris know ASAP. Chris can then explain exactly what needs to be done.
THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.
We're getting close.
LINK (ADVOCACY ALERT: RETROGRESSION: WE'RE GETTING CLOSE)
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11-03 04:26 PM
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permfiling
01-08 11:17 PM
Hi folks,
I used to work in company A where my I-140 got approved but I was laid off. Now I am with company B in a higher position and pay but B has delayed filing my PERM. As the economy is bad so I am looking to go back to A and file 485 when PD is current. I need to give a copy of H1 for transfer from B to A. Will i be needing the original H1 copy from B at any time as B gave me a copy not the original (weird).
Thanks
EB2 : 10/05
I used to work in company A where my I-140 got approved but I was laid off. Now I am with company B in a higher position and pay but B has delayed filing my PERM. As the economy is bad so I am looking to go back to A and file 485 when PD is current. I need to give a copy of H1 for transfer from B to A. Will i be needing the original H1 copy from B at any time as B gave me a copy not the original (weird).
Thanks
EB2 : 10/05
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meridiani.planum
09-13 12:52 AM
Obama is no panacea either. Why do you think someone with little experience is a liability to be second in command, but the same lack of experience is admirable quality for the first in command.
Also, Obama has been changing his positions on issues to pander to the voters, I doubt he will be any different from Bush either. The only change you are going to see is in himself -- not the way things are done. He will probably pay more of the tax monies to people who gambled with their houses (and are still not being punished for it).
Obama's lack of experience does not bother me as much as Palins because you have to see what people have done in whatever experience they have had. Obama did community service, has had a strong moral fiber in whatever he has said. Palin has already abused whatever little power she had. Being a senator Obama has atleast been exposed to world-wide issues. I bet Palin cant even locate Georgia on the map. Did you see her recent interview? In spite of it being carefully staged, see her stumble aimlessly when it comes to the question of the Bush Doctrine... The biggest foreign policy change this country made (decision to make pre-emptive attacks) and Palin does not have an opinion on it because she does not even know what it is. The interviewer had to tell her what teh Bush Doctrine is all about. Are'nt you scared of a person like that leading the US? Why does this country always pick screwed up vice presidents (Dick Cheney's approval ratings have been <30% for as long as I can recall)
Either way, from an immigration point of view (focus of this forum) we are screwed (see my previous post for stances of both presidential candidates)
Also, Obama has been changing his positions on issues to pander to the voters, I doubt he will be any different from Bush either. The only change you are going to see is in himself -- not the way things are done. He will probably pay more of the tax monies to people who gambled with their houses (and are still not being punished for it).
Obama's lack of experience does not bother me as much as Palins because you have to see what people have done in whatever experience they have had. Obama did community service, has had a strong moral fiber in whatever he has said. Palin has already abused whatever little power she had. Being a senator Obama has atleast been exposed to world-wide issues. I bet Palin cant even locate Georgia on the map. Did you see her recent interview? In spite of it being carefully staged, see her stumble aimlessly when it comes to the question of the Bush Doctrine... The biggest foreign policy change this country made (decision to make pre-emptive attacks) and Palin does not have an opinion on it because she does not even know what it is. The interviewer had to tell her what teh Bush Doctrine is all about. Are'nt you scared of a person like that leading the US? Why does this country always pick screwed up vice presidents (Dick Cheney's approval ratings have been <30% for as long as I can recall)
Either way, from an immigration point of view (focus of this forum) we are screwed (see my previous post for stances of both presidential candidates)
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05-30 07:12 PM
this amendment is ordered to "lie on the table" that means we dont even know if it will be taken up for debate
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10-15 10:08 PM
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04-17 10:22 PM
I work for the fortune 500 company, fragomen filed my case very last minute (just a day my 5th year finishes). I do not know why they did like that though the HR initiated my GC long time back. I found many of my friends also had similar issues. They really test your patience. One of my friend's case, they have totaly screwed up by filing last minute.
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07-20 04:59 PM
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walking_dude
09-19 06:07 PM
Guys,
....
I guess (just by reading posts on IV) one point which came out pretty clearly was that IV has good support in some regions and really very little support in some others (support as in visible support, where people are willing to show up for rallies, contribute to IV�s efforts etc), I guess this pretty much means that we need to focus on building the regional chapters of IV, like have strong/formal leadership and goals of each of the chapters.
...
Agree with you 100%. Instead of 'forming' state chapters in the last moment, they need to be established, nourished, strengthened and developed over a period of time. A grassroots movement needs strong roots in all regions.
I was also thinking that we can possibly learn a lot from the protests by undocumented immigrants. They had record turnouts in their rallies and most of their people stayed away from work to take part in the efforts when ever there was a call for the same.
With all due respect, it was a disaster. They ended up scaring Americans - by holding Flags of thier countries, holding US flag upside-down or disrespecting US flag in other ways. This provided fodder to anti-immigrants to scare Americans of an 'invasion' of law-breaking aliens.
We need to learn lessons from them, in not committing their mistakes
Some of the advantages of having simultaneous local rallies is that
1) No travel expenses � (So that we can spend more money on media and lobbying than travel expenses)
There was a Free Bus from NY/NJ. Yet, how many came?
2) No need to time spent on travel � ( Better turnouts)
How many people from DC participated?
3) Comfort � every one can just go to a local rally point (Better turnouts)
Those seeking 'comfort', will choose it at home. What better comfort than to sleep on a couch and watch TV?
4) Stronger regional chapters � (work at grass root levels)
If wishes were horses...
As of now, idea doesn't look good. 10 people marching in Detroit, 20 in Minneapolis, 40 in New York, 100 in California - will it even be a rally, in the true sense?
....
I guess (just by reading posts on IV) one point which came out pretty clearly was that IV has good support in some regions and really very little support in some others (support as in visible support, where people are willing to show up for rallies, contribute to IV�s efforts etc), I guess this pretty much means that we need to focus on building the regional chapters of IV, like have strong/formal leadership and goals of each of the chapters.
...
Agree with you 100%. Instead of 'forming' state chapters in the last moment, they need to be established, nourished, strengthened and developed over a period of time. A grassroots movement needs strong roots in all regions.
I was also thinking that we can possibly learn a lot from the protests by undocumented immigrants. They had record turnouts in their rallies and most of their people stayed away from work to take part in the efforts when ever there was a call for the same.
With all due respect, it was a disaster. They ended up scaring Americans - by holding Flags of thier countries, holding US flag upside-down or disrespecting US flag in other ways. This provided fodder to anti-immigrants to scare Americans of an 'invasion' of law-breaking aliens.
We need to learn lessons from them, in not committing their mistakes
Some of the advantages of having simultaneous local rallies is that
1) No travel expenses � (So that we can spend more money on media and lobbying than travel expenses)
There was a Free Bus from NY/NJ. Yet, how many came?
2) No need to time spent on travel � ( Better turnouts)
How many people from DC participated?
3) Comfort � every one can just go to a local rally point (Better turnouts)
Those seeking 'comfort', will choose it at home. What better comfort than to sleep on a couch and watch TV?
4) Stronger regional chapters � (work at grass root levels)
If wishes were horses...
As of now, idea doesn't look good. 10 people marching in Detroit, 20 in Minneapolis, 40 in New York, 100 in California - will it even be a rally, in the true sense?
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walking_dude
10-21 11:27 AM
Thanks Bestin, for the quick update provided on the forums. Was caught up in personal work and hence couldn't update here.
1) Thanks to CC, we had a good meeting. Around 15 members turned up, which is a good show as this is our very first meet as a State chapter. It was a great success as an ice breaker and people could actually see the faces behind the ids walking_dude, cagedcactus, curious_techie, alien etc.
2) Sorry to have not posted pics and videos. It was the first meeting for all of us, though some of have been co-ordinating efforts online through phones and E-mail. Also some of us are prospective AC21 candidates (so you guys need to wait some more months :) )
3) Every one of the attendees pitched in with their ideas and experiences in GC process. We had a fruitful discussion about IV Talking points. EVERYONE readily volunteered to our highest priority task. We will be going ahead with it in full steam in the days to come. Modalities were discussed to and agreed to at the meet.
4) We got some more volunteers who agreed to share the Co-ordinator responsibilities with me and CC. We have formed a "Co-Ordination Committee" of 5 members - CagedCactus, Walking_Dude, Bestin, BReddy2000 and Ajobha. Committe will be dynamic and based on member choice and level of participation.
5) I understand that we need a more central place which will facilitate more participation from all over Michigan. We are fine with it as long as we can get some volunteer from Farmington Hills, Dearborn, Southfield etc. who can book us a room/hall. Without a local participation it's hard to arrange a place for meeting. Till then we may have to make do with our current spot.
6) I am co-ordinating with CC to get the hall Officially booked so we don't face the elements next time. We are looking at the possibility of booking a room for free ( a facility available to non-profit groups such as us)
7) Me & CC had a meeting later where we compiled Minutes Of the Meeting (MOM) and other stuff too! Like a new Secure Yahoo or Google groups for secure dissemination of IV updates and chapter action plans. Teleconferencing options, Outreach, member drive etc. It will be communicated to Core as soon as I can type it into a document (along with the list of IV MI members as a trusted list)
8) Every participant volunteered to do his best to help IV and the State Chapter in our cause. It was also agreed that everyone will get more friends, neighbors, colleagues and acquaintances in the chapter, which is GREAT. We have had a really good start. Thanks to everyone who volunteered full support and will bring in more members.
9) Thanks to CC for the snacks and coffee. I will volunteer to get them next time.
10) Most importantly - Thanks to Everyone who participated. WE WILL BE SUCCESSFUL TOGETHER.
1) Thanks to CC, we had a good meeting. Around 15 members turned up, which is a good show as this is our very first meet as a State chapter. It was a great success as an ice breaker and people could actually see the faces behind the ids walking_dude, cagedcactus, curious_techie, alien etc.
2) Sorry to have not posted pics and videos. It was the first meeting for all of us, though some of have been co-ordinating efforts online through phones and E-mail. Also some of us are prospective AC21 candidates (so you guys need to wait some more months :) )
3) Every one of the attendees pitched in with their ideas and experiences in GC process. We had a fruitful discussion about IV Talking points. EVERYONE readily volunteered to our highest priority task. We will be going ahead with it in full steam in the days to come. Modalities were discussed to and agreed to at the meet.
4) We got some more volunteers who agreed to share the Co-ordinator responsibilities with me and CC. We have formed a "Co-Ordination Committee" of 5 members - CagedCactus, Walking_Dude, Bestin, BReddy2000 and Ajobha. Committe will be dynamic and based on member choice and level of participation.
5) I understand that we need a more central place which will facilitate more participation from all over Michigan. We are fine with it as long as we can get some volunteer from Farmington Hills, Dearborn, Southfield etc. who can book us a room/hall. Without a local participation it's hard to arrange a place for meeting. Till then we may have to make do with our current spot.
6) I am co-ordinating with CC to get the hall Officially booked so we don't face the elements next time. We are looking at the possibility of booking a room for free ( a facility available to non-profit groups such as us)
7) Me & CC had a meeting later where we compiled Minutes Of the Meeting (MOM) and other stuff too! Like a new Secure Yahoo or Google groups for secure dissemination of IV updates and chapter action plans. Teleconferencing options, Outreach, member drive etc. It will be communicated to Core as soon as I can type it into a document (along with the list of IV MI members as a trusted list)
8) Every participant volunteered to do his best to help IV and the State Chapter in our cause. It was also agreed that everyone will get more friends, neighbors, colleagues and acquaintances in the chapter, which is GREAT. We have had a really good start. Thanks to everyone who volunteered full support and will bring in more members.
9) Thanks to CC for the snacks and coffee. I will volunteer to get them next time.
10) Most importantly - Thanks to Everyone who participated. WE WILL BE SUCCESSFUL TOGETHER.
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EBX-Man
03-28 01:40 PM
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04-27 11:33 PM
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garybanz
09-20 09:54 AM
Agree with you 100%. Instead of 'forming' state chapters in the last moment, they need to be established, nourished, strengthened and developed over a period of time. A grassroots movement needs strong roots in all regions.
With all due respect, it was a disaster. They ended up scaring Americans - by holding Flags of thier countries, holding US flag upside-down or disrespecting US flag in other ways. This provided fodder to anti-immigrants to scare Americans of an 'invasion' of law-breaking aliens.
We need to learn lessons from them, in not committing their mistakes
As of now, idea doesn't look good. 10 people marching in Detroit, 20 in Minneapolis, 40 in New York, 100 in California - will it even be a rally, in the true sense?
Agree with you 100%. Instead of 'forming' state chapters in the last moment, they need to be established, nourished, strengthened and developed over a period of time. A grassroots movement needs strong roots in all regions.
With all due respect, it was a disaster. They ended up scaring Americans - by holding Flags of thier countries, holding US flag upside-down or disrespecting US flag in other ways. This provided fodder to anti-immigrants to scare Americans of an 'invasion' of law-breaking aliens.
We need to learn lessons from them, in not committing their mistakes
As of now, idea doesn't look good. 10 people marching in Detroit, 20 in Minneapolis, 40 in New York, 100 in California - will it even be a rally, in the true sense?
Do you really think the numbers will be that bad? Look at the improvement in turnout in DC from San Jose? Every movement political or not builds gradually. The idea is to make it easy for people to show up rather than ridicule them for not showing up.
We asked people to show up at the rally giving up (1) A day�s pay ($400 to 1000) (2) Spend money on travel where ever the buses were not available ($$) (3) Spend time away from home. That�s a little difficult for people who have not seen a single person from IV yet (which is most of us). On the other hand many people who attended the rally in San Jose did not mind traveling all the way to DC�Can you think why? Do you think Indian�s in CA have a different mindset compared to those in TX or NY/NJ?
IMHO, we need to do more work at grass root level. If rallies are local and on a weekend then more people will turn out. Not only will there be better turnout, many of these same people will being more passionate about their support to IV and might start showing up in out of state rallies and protests.
Many of my colleagues did not even know until yesterday when I showed then the news articles that there was a rally like this in DC. Unless we have local chapters with an organized structure which meet regularly/ even if it�s a conference call, you cannot expect mass mobilization�this is Politics works!!
I think the DC rally has caught every ones attention, this is the right time to push the drive for local mobilization, it will be tragic if we lose the momentum now.
With all due respect, it was a disaster. They ended up scaring Americans - by holding Flags of thier countries, holding US flag upside-down or disrespecting US flag in other ways. This provided fodder to anti-immigrants to scare Americans of an 'invasion' of law-breaking aliens.
We need to learn lessons from them, in not committing their mistakes
As of now, idea doesn't look good. 10 people marching in Detroit, 20 in Minneapolis, 40 in New York, 100 in California - will it even be a rally, in the true sense?
Agree with you 100%. Instead of 'forming' state chapters in the last moment, they need to be established, nourished, strengthened and developed over a period of time. A grassroots movement needs strong roots in all regions.
With all due respect, it was a disaster. They ended up scaring Americans - by holding Flags of thier countries, holding US flag upside-down or disrespecting US flag in other ways. This provided fodder to anti-immigrants to scare Americans of an 'invasion' of law-breaking aliens.
We need to learn lessons from them, in not committing their mistakes
As of now, idea doesn't look good. 10 people marching in Detroit, 20 in Minneapolis, 40 in New York, 100 in California - will it even be a rally, in the true sense?
Do you really think the numbers will be that bad? Look at the improvement in turnout in DC from San Jose? Every movement political or not builds gradually. The idea is to make it easy for people to show up rather than ridicule them for not showing up.
We asked people to show up at the rally giving up (1) A day�s pay ($400 to 1000) (2) Spend money on travel where ever the buses were not available ($$) (3) Spend time away from home. That�s a little difficult for people who have not seen a single person from IV yet (which is most of us). On the other hand many people who attended the rally in San Jose did not mind traveling all the way to DC�Can you think why? Do you think Indian�s in CA have a different mindset compared to those in TX or NY/NJ?
IMHO, we need to do more work at grass root level. If rallies are local and on a weekend then more people will turn out. Not only will there be better turnout, many of these same people will being more passionate about their support to IV and might start showing up in out of state rallies and protests.
Many of my colleagues did not even know until yesterday when I showed then the news articles that there was a rally like this in DC. Unless we have local chapters with an organized structure which meet regularly/ even if it�s a conference call, you cannot expect mass mobilization�this is Politics works!!
I think the DC rally has caught every ones attention, this is the right time to push the drive for local mobilization, it will be tragic if we lose the momentum now.
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