superdude
09-19 04:59 PM
I am with you.
To everyone who thinks rallies dont make a difference, as described here : http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=13583
This is not an attack post. Or a criticizing post. This is purely educational and please keep this thread clean.
I know there are many out there who are snickering in their cubicles looking at the pictures of the rally and thinking "Look at these idiots, they think Congress will pass SKIL bill because they walked 1.2 miles with some placards and banners".
Such thinking is reasonable. But only if you dont know how things work.
Here is why rally of Sept 18th will be consequential:
1. When you do a rally, people notice. People recognize organization and measure its strength. It stays in their heads for a long time and they keep Immigration Voice as one of the organizations they can ask for support when they push for their own cause. In Congress, things work based on compromise, consensus and consultation. People dont just sponsor legislations they believe in. They run it thru their caucus and leadership and do a vote count. To find out how many votes would they get if they came up with this new idea. Whether it will get 218 votes in House. Whether they will get 51 votes in senate. If its filibuster proof and get 61 votes in Senate. Whether it has committee support. Whether leadership offices are in agreement to put it in schedule. All this happens in background and there are people who are hired in committees just to do vote counts on proposed ideas. IF it turns out they dont find enough support, they drop it. If they think they can pull it off, they approach leadership (Speaker in House, Maj leader in Senate) to put it in queue.
2. Let us say that Congressman X wants to sponser SKIL bill because of his constituency or a senator (like Feinstein) wants to sponsor AgJobs because food growers are having food rotten in absence of agricultural workers, a compelling cause. Now, when they want to pass legislation, they have to look for support and votes as described in item 1. When they fall short, they find ways to sweeten the pot. IF they see that a powerful organization will throw in their support and lobbying in favor of their bill if they attach a few of that organization's provisions, then they approach them. Immigration Voice did 138 lawmakers meetings (in House and Senate). They did the rally. They would consider IV as a organization that can help them PUSH for their legislation. Now we have a place at the negotiating table. If they attach our provisions (like recapture, or GC quota increase), then we can promise to do something for them. Like support the entire bill they are pushing for. They know that we can do rallies and we can do hundreds of lawmaker meetings. If Diane Feinstein (just an example) thinks that by adding skilled employment based reform provisions she can get IV's support and swing a few votes to help her pass her favorite AgJobs bill, then we have opportunity where the Senator would ask us what we want rather than us going and asking them to do things for us. One of IV members said that on the day of the rally, suddenly the office of her senator called her and scheduled and appointment to meet the same day at 4:00 PM. She had been trying to get the appointment but after they rally and Roll call newspaper ad (http://immigrationvoice.org/media/forums/iv/rollcal3a.pdf), they called her to listen to her. I heard about this from her just as the rally was over.
3. CIR has recently failed. From some meetings, I got the feeling that CIR's failure has left a bad taste in mouth and many people in Congress as well as administration are very upset about it still. Now that we have done this rally, done lawmaker meetings, put a rollcall ad, did the media blitz, press conference, congressional reception (where 4 congressmen attended and spoke in IV's support), they know that it would be a good idea to keep IV on their side and put some of their things in a bill. Next time they write a bill (behind closed doors very often), they will consult us and ask us if they can do something for IV to win IV's full support. That's because by getting IV's support on their side for whatever they are doing, they can be assured that we wont oppose it but instead support it. With phone calls, Rallies, paid ads, lawmaker meetings etc. If they are really investing in getting a bill passed, they would include our provisions just to increase the odds.
Strength respects strength. If we have the strength to do things and make a difference (rallies, meetings, receptions, press conferences, paid ads), then that strength begets more strenght because other powers want us to join hands with them so that they can do their favorite things (AgJobs, DREAM etc).
To everyone who thinks rallies dont make a difference, as described here : http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=13583
This is not an attack post. Or a criticizing post. This is purely educational and please keep this thread clean.
I know there are many out there who are snickering in their cubicles looking at the pictures of the rally and thinking "Look at these idiots, they think Congress will pass SKIL bill because they walked 1.2 miles with some placards and banners".
Such thinking is reasonable. But only if you dont know how things work.
Here is why rally of Sept 18th will be consequential:
1. When you do a rally, people notice. People recognize organization and measure its strength. It stays in their heads for a long time and they keep Immigration Voice as one of the organizations they can ask for support when they push for their own cause. In Congress, things work based on compromise, consensus and consultation. People dont just sponsor legislations they believe in. They run it thru their caucus and leadership and do a vote count. To find out how many votes would they get if they came up with this new idea. Whether it will get 218 votes in House. Whether they will get 51 votes in senate. If its filibuster proof and get 61 votes in Senate. Whether it has committee support. Whether leadership offices are in agreement to put it in schedule. All this happens in background and there are people who are hired in committees just to do vote counts on proposed ideas. IF it turns out they dont find enough support, they drop it. If they think they can pull it off, they approach leadership (Speaker in House, Maj leader in Senate) to put it in queue.
2. Let us say that Congressman X wants to sponser SKIL bill because of his constituency or a senator (like Feinstein) wants to sponsor AgJobs because food growers are having food rotten in absence of agricultural workers, a compelling cause. Now, when they want to pass legislation, they have to look for support and votes as described in item 1. When they fall short, they find ways to sweeten the pot. IF they see that a powerful organization will throw in their support and lobbying in favor of their bill if they attach a few of that organization's provisions, then they approach them. Immigration Voice did 138 lawmakers meetings (in House and Senate). They did the rally. They would consider IV as a organization that can help them PUSH for their legislation. Now we have a place at the negotiating table. If they attach our provisions (like recapture, or GC quota increase), then we can promise to do something for them. Like support the entire bill they are pushing for. They know that we can do rallies and we can do hundreds of lawmaker meetings. If Diane Feinstein (just an example) thinks that by adding skilled employment based reform provisions she can get IV's support and swing a few votes to help her pass her favorite AgJobs bill, then we have opportunity where the Senator would ask us what we want rather than us going and asking them to do things for us. One of IV members said that on the day of the rally, suddenly the office of her senator called her and scheduled and appointment to meet the same day at 4:00 PM. She had been trying to get the appointment but after they rally and Roll call newspaper ad (http://immigrationvoice.org/media/forums/iv/rollcal3a.pdf), they called her to listen to her. I heard about this from her just as the rally was over.
3. CIR has recently failed. From some meetings, I got the feeling that CIR's failure has left a bad taste in mouth and many people in Congress as well as administration are very upset about it still. Now that we have done this rally, done lawmaker meetings, put a rollcall ad, did the media blitz, press conference, congressional reception (where 4 congressmen attended and spoke in IV's support), they know that it would be a good idea to keep IV on their side and put some of their things in a bill. Next time they write a bill (behind closed doors very often), they will consult us and ask us if they can do something for IV to win IV's full support. That's because by getting IV's support on their side for whatever they are doing, they can be assured that we wont oppose it but instead support it. With phone calls, Rallies, paid ads, lawmaker meetings etc. If they are really investing in getting a bill passed, they would include our provisions just to increase the odds.
Strength respects strength. If we have the strength to do things and make a difference (rallies, meetings, receptions, press conferences, paid ads), then that strength begets more strenght because other powers want us to join hands with them so that they can do their favorite things (AgJobs, DREAM etc).
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svam77
07-23 02:29 PM
I got to know from my attorney that, USCIS has my I 140 information in their system and they gave him a receipt number. But, the receipt is not generated yet. It may take a week or so to get the receipt. My appl was filed on 12th and it reached NSC on 13th.
I checked the status online with this receipt # and online status shows that they recieved the aplication on 19th and its at Texas center. May be my appl was moved to Texas now.
I checked the status online with this receipt # and online status shows that they recieved the aplication on 19th and its at Texas center. May be my appl was moved to Texas now.
vina92
06-08 06:56 PM
May be we should try to lobby for a bill with one time relief of Backlog of EB retrogressed.
I feel that once this backlog is reduced, it will be easier for future applicants anyway as H1Bs are reduced to 65000 from last few years.
I request IV core to look into this option as the opposition from anti immigrants would be less for something like this. This has happened once before in yr 2000.
Vina92:cool:
I feel that once this backlog is reduced, it will be easier for future applicants anyway as H1Bs are reduced to 65000 from last few years.
I request IV core to look into this option as the opposition from anti immigrants would be less for something like this. This has happened once before in yr 2000.
Vina92:cool:
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paskal
09-22 10:33 AM
When you say these are the " ONLY REASONS", you should think twice. If your wife delivered baby on that day or if you had back surgery a week ago probably you would not be been in DC for the rally. So please dont generalize anything.I am not sure if the most efficient way to motivate people is to write bunch of threads with the words like the four you used many times.
Good Luck
you are right. many people had very genuine reasons. personally i was glad to represent them in DC. even some very committed volunteers could not make it. i do not think chandu means to generalize. he is venting his own frustrations at the very substantial number of members who simply choose not to participate...in anything...let alone a rally...
Good Luck
you are right. many people had very genuine reasons. personally i was glad to represent them in DC. even some very committed volunteers could not make it. i do not think chandu means to generalize. he is venting his own frustrations at the very substantial number of members who simply choose not to participate...in anything...let alone a rally...
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pappu
10-16 09:11 AM
If you have a good experience with your lawyer and are recommending the law firm, pls also try to talk to your lawyer about IV. Ask the law firm if they want to contribute/ or even publicize IV to their clients. If they agree to do it, please post here. If they refuse, pls post here.
So when you write about how good your lawyer is, pls also mention if the lawyer supports IV and the help that has been extended to IV.
This will help maintain a list of lawyers who are recommended by members and at the same time, help IV.
So when you write about how good your lawyer is, pls also mention if the lawyer supports IV and the help that has been extended to IV.
This will help maintain a list of lawyers who are recommended by members and at the same time, help IV.
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felix31
11-08 02:18 AM
too tired to celebrate...but hopeful that something might yet happen that will do something with the retrogression. hubby is already complaining that he reached the top in his senior position and there is no more professional growth for him, so the ability to file I-485 (if it happenes) would be a golden one for both of us... he would not feel so chained by his employer and I will finally say goodbuy to this wretched H4 status.
Will see where things move in the near future and hope for the best..
Will see where things move in the near future and hope for the best..
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saikatmandal
11-15 11:57 AM
But how will the media cover a fast ? The logistics of getting everyone at public venues to fast will be difficult I am sure !
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rp0lol
02-12 02:07 PM
Sent 5 more letters to President and copies in one envelope to IV.
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05-18 09:58 AM
Done
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reve23
07-07 02:06 PM
I have been on a H4 visa for the last 3 yrs now and it's terribly frustrating...having always worked before that. But it isn't true that there aren't any takers for the H4 visa cause! Shivali Shah (who is an immigration advocate) and her organization have been working really hard for the rights of H4 visa holders. Check out her website...she's doing some great work!
http://www.hvisasurvey.org/index.html
http://www.hvisasurvey.org/index.html
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BumbleBee
07-18 12:44 PM
Its not over till its over :), and its not over yet by any means. I am willing to wait and fight ;) . Everyone has priorities in life, each person would view GC situation differently. For me, its not the ultimate dream, but just a vehicle to continue my journey for some more time (with peace of mind). I am definitely looking to gray my hair in my home country or atleast be there once I am grayed haired :D
Doing an MBA/PMI and looking for managerial job is the only realistic possibility for most, I don't think most people would wanna still be programming when they turn 40/45 (depending on how old/young you feel).
My gut feel is that there will be some kind of relief by end of 2007 or early 2008
BumbleBee
Doing an MBA/PMI and looking for managerial job is the only realistic possibility for most, I don't think most people would wanna still be programming when they turn 40/45 (depending on how old/young you feel).
My gut feel is that there will be some kind of relief by end of 2007 or early 2008
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10-17 05:28 PM
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gomirage
06-14 11:11 PM
First congrats to everybody here able to benefit from this great news. For the rest of the road still loooooooong to go. I'm just starting my labor certification process this month and I'm very new to this whole greencard process. Is there any advice I can have to expedite my application before retrogression hits again. Hopefully it will be a little while before CIS brings us to reality of life. Any help to a poor man will be greatly appreciated.
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dixie
07-03 06:26 AM
This letter has no mention of the problems regarding permanent residency, it only refers to the H1-B quota issues, we should contact the Congressman Shadegg to clarify that its not just about the H1-B, the problem also lies in the immigration process of skilled workers. If this is not part of his bill then we should urge(request) him to include this.
PK
Well thats our fate .. we are always forced to piggyback on a larger issue. With CIR it was illegal immigration, now it is H1-B. But you got to understand that if not for corporate lobbying (who have a heavier stake in H1-Bs) this bill would not have seen the light of day, that too in the house. We got to be thankful we are at least not being treated on par with the illegal aliens .. the broad theme of this bill is highly related to skilled immigration, which is much less controversial than granting citizenship to illegals; not withstanding the tancredos and numbersUSAs who will still be yelling doomsday from the rooftops. Granted we are flying under the radar as usual, but I very much doubt this will be an H1-B only bill without any EB relief.
PK
Well thats our fate .. we are always forced to piggyback on a larger issue. With CIR it was illegal immigration, now it is H1-B. But you got to understand that if not for corporate lobbying (who have a heavier stake in H1-Bs) this bill would not have seen the light of day, that too in the house. We got to be thankful we are at least not being treated on par with the illegal aliens .. the broad theme of this bill is highly related to skilled immigration, which is much less controversial than granting citizenship to illegals; not withstanding the tancredos and numbersUSAs who will still be yelling doomsday from the rooftops. Granted we are flying under the radar as usual, but I very much doubt this will be an H1-B only bill without any EB relief.
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mariusp
04-25 07:15 PM
Are you guys going to set up Web Fax to send support letters to our senators / congressmen? I mean how close are we to the point where this bill is up for debate?
Thanks. It has now been added on the homepage.
Thanks. It has now been added on the homepage.
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senk1s
07-28 09:34 AM
Yes I've called the rebate hot-line (i think it was the main IRS number and reached there by choosing the rebate option)
The agent was very helpful. It was a while back - i had e-filed, but did not check the box for electronic refund (i had to pay) - so it was treated as a paper filing for this case - and got the check on the paper 'schedule'
The agent was very helpful. It was a while back - i had e-filed, but did not check the box for electronic refund (i had to pay) - so it was treated as a paper filing for this case - and got the check on the paper 'schedule'
tinamatthew
07-18 03:23 PM
Is there a thing called Double Ban? If there is ban this self centered piece of crap again.:mad:
What is BEC? Maybe I don't understand. How can someone on BEC with PD 2005 not get an EAD b4 a PD of 2007?
Pls enlighten me
Thanks
What is BEC? Maybe I don't understand. How can someone on BEC with PD 2005 not get an EAD b4 a PD of 2007?
Pls enlighten me
Thanks
va_labor2002
12-01 03:43 PM
Congress is enacting law. White House is just approving the bill into law. Any way White House is positive in our issue. What we need today is to have attention of congress. Member of Congress are scared with citizens and media. We need at Capitol, if we have to.
I believe, this will create big impact on media and members of congress.
Can we organize a hunger strike in front of CAPITOL HILL ,just for one day ?
IV can co-ordinate the event. It will give BIG media attention in DC. It will open the eyes of American people !
I believe, this will create big impact on media and members of congress.
Can we organize a hunger strike in front of CAPITOL HILL ,just for one day ?
IV can co-ordinate the event. It will give BIG media attention in DC. It will open the eyes of American people !
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